Let's Go 3d~ (SYS tank just a bit later)

[dy031101]

Expect to see the stuff I've promised starting early next week.

Wouldn't want people to think that I've completely slacked off and/or (worse) been hoping people to forget......  

[Arc3371]

Looking better and better

[dy031101]

Looking better and better

And I have no intention to leave out earlier configurations- nothing to worry about.  

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How'd you think of the Cold War opponent deployed by...... say, maybe People's Republic of China that retreated to the north as I feel tempted to put the upgraded SYS tank and maybe my earlier XX-101 together with the ROCAF F-104 mental note in the same post-WWII alt. universe: partial T-55M6 imitation (lengthed Type 59/69 hull with imported/copied T-72 turret; though might have been introduced earlier than actual T-55M6 was, in the 70s) or just T-72?

[Arc3371]

The aircrafts should fit nicely in the same TL, about the lengthened T-55/59 wouldnt that be a T-62? With a reduced PRC and looking for an uparmed T-62 wouldnt the DPRK be a nautural partner?

[dy031101]

The aircrafts should fit nicely in the same TL, about the lengthened T-55/59 wouldnt that be a T-62? With a reduced PRC and looking for an uparmed T-62 wouldnt the DPRK be a nautural partner?

That'd be another way to go; speaking of which, Wikipedia described the T-62 as being more than twice as expensive as the T-55 and not appropriately more effective than the older tank with improved AP shell, but it found some successes with various Third World armies (though not Warsaw Pact countries, even those that produced the T-62 for export; Romania even kept playing with the T-55 design) and was chosen by North Korea as the basis for reverse-engineering.  Is it because Third World clients don't get access to the new HVAPDS shell and therefore had to go with the bigger gun?

On a side note, I am rather tempted to think that the CCP in the alt. timeline involving their defeat in China might have ended up a more extensive receipient of Russian technologies and arms during the Cold War since some of the things Khrushchev did to irritate the PRC in real-life might have ended up offending the ROC instead (which would either have made the CCP happy or not have practically damaged CCP interest anyway).  If things didn't go so bad as the CCP-Soviet split in real-life, maybe the PLA would have always had a level of access to Soviet arms technology similar to WarPac clients?  Both license-producing T-62 and evolving the Type 59/69 would have sounded plausible in this case.

[Henry Yeh]

Expect to see the stuff I've promised starting early next week.

Wouldn't want people to think that I've completely slacked off and/or (worse) been hoping people to forget......  

Will the cat paw go on the mud guard?
Not sure 突擊 & 先鋒 are from the same tank or different ones though.

[dy031101]

Here is the first batch of pics, showing a Sun Yat-Sen tank with the 120mm gun turret.

This one is being readied for the Afganistan campaign in concert with NATO forces.  Can everyone see clearly the writing on the barrel?

(It translates to the effect of "Overrun Wakhan Corridor!")

Subsequent batches will be going from the oldest to the newest model...... kitted up where yours truly deems appropriate (but then it's based on viewer's suggestions anyway) (including that other "Dian Mian Cat" tank).

Comments and suggestions are welcomed.

[Henry Yeh]

Here is the first batch of pics, showing a Sun Yat-Sen tank with the 120mm gun turret.

This one is being readied for the Afganistan campaign in concert with NATO forces.  Can everyone see clearly the writing on the barrel?

(It translates to the effect of "Overrun Wakhan Corridor!")

Subsequent batches will be going from the oldest to the newest model...... kitted up where yours truly deems appropriate (but then it's based on viewer's suggestions anyway) (including that other "Dian Mian Cat" tank).

Comments and suggestions are welcomed.

Exactly what I have in mind the first day it rolls into A'stan, but it won't look like that after a few RPG rounds. The expended ERA will be replaced by ones that don't exactly match the original colors. The crews will try to improve the camo (spray can sandy yellow bought in model shops in Xinjiang & Pakistan ), & gun shields will be installed. Some crews will stencile kill marks on their tanks (even though Afghan T-55 & T-62 are little more than static targets). The dinosaurs in Nanjing will throw a fit on such blatant deviation from the "大家都一樣" cannon fodder standard, but the field commanders will simply give them the finger.

BTW, I'm struggling with the T74 GPMG. In real life, ROC AFV uses a version of T74 with spade grips (similar to M240D); however, I personally much prefer this version: it's most like a field kit (I don't think tanks with autoloaders will leave the factory with a gunner's MG), hence the gun is probably borrowed from an infantry armory. And this version is easier to employ dismounted, should the crew be forced to dismount during combat for some reason, it could provide some extra firepower over whatever pistol/SMG/carbine they might be carrying (it's not exactly easy to fire the M240D with bipods only). I think it's best to keep it as-is.

[dy031101]

BTW, I'm struggling with the T74 GPMG. In real life, ROC AFV uses a version of T74 with spade grips (similar to M240D); however, I personally much prefer this version: it's most like a field kit (I don't think tanks with autoloaders will leave the factory with a gunner's MG), hence the gun is probably borrowed from infantry armory.

The second pintle-mounted MG is, AFAIK, only used by MBTs (other AFV commanders, including those of light tanks, use either M2HB or Mk.19, whereas lighter tactical vehicles have the infantry model T57/T74 as an option), and the lack of a finned barrel suggests that it's indeed imported M240D.  Maybe the real-life ROCA figured that the order is small enough to make the import worthwhile.

I didn't think giving the gunner a weapon that requires him/her to unbutton first to use would sound intuitive initially, either (there's the co-axial MG after all).  Where could they have gotten the idea of giving the gunner a weapon with greater elevation than the turreted guns after the adaptation of an autoloader......?

[Henry Yeh]

I didn't think giving the gunner a weapon that requires him/her to unbutton first to use would sound intuitive initially, either (there's the co-axial MG after all).  Where would they have gotten the idea of leaving the loader's weapon to the gunner after the adaptation of an autoloader......?

The Frogs & their Leclerc. Recall the gunner of Leclerc sit on the starboard side.
Japan & Type 90.

[dy031101]

Some crews will stencile kill marks on their tanks (even though Afghan T-55 & T-62 are little more than static targets).

Earlier models might have had kills against adequately-operated Soviet-made MBTs though.  

[Henry Yeh]

Some crews will stencile kill marks on their tanks (even though Afghan T-55 & T-62 are little more than static targets).

Earlier models might have had kills against adequately-operated Soviet-made MBTs though.  

In Pakistani, N. Yemeni, or Chadian hands maybe.
BTW, that tank looks like a vehicle that would be "borrowed" from unit to unit during 高檢, if you know what ROCA is like .

[dy031101]

(Inspired by Arc3371's drawing.)

Alarmed by the news of Japanese purchase of a Tiger I tank, the Republic of China Army wanted something for a counter in case such a purchase either leads to a more-extensive acquisition or inspires a comparable design.  To that end they sent a delegation to inspect a Tiger tank captured in North Africa...... without prior experience in building a heavy tank, Chinese engineers mistakenly assumed that heavy tanks are meant to have overlapping road wheels and copied the so-equipped suspension of the Tiger.  They did make some adaptations for local manufacturing techniques and available raw materials (which by co-incidence became very similar to late model Tiger I, also modified to cope with material shortages).  Sprocket drive wheels were mounted to the rear in an attempt to further simplify the automotive scheme- it ended up lowering the vehicle's overall height, as the Americans found out during the development leading to the M26- and the hull and turret were mostly made of flat but sloped armour plates that were more easily put-together.

A French-made 90mm DCA gun was used to arm the tank due to non-availability of US-made 90mm gun (as of 1944); initially three ZB vz. 26 7.92mm machineguns functioned as a co-axial weapon, a hull-mounted weapon, and a commander's cupola weapon, respectively.

The prototype was given an identification number 888.

(On the note of co-axial MG...... I wonder if a belt-fed weapon would be better, but it might have had to be MG08/Type-24 Maxim......)

[Henry Yeh]

When did M1919 machine gun become available in China? All I know is ROCA M4 Sherman had M1919 coax & commander's M2 BMG.
It would perform brilliantly in the stillborn Allied land counter-offensive.

BTW, the Finns did put a pair of tail lights on their T-72. Apparently tail/brake/signal lights are a relatively late introduction in much of the commie bloc. Must have been an interesting experience driving in USSR.

[dy031101]

When did M1919 machine gun become available in China? All I know is ROCA M4 Sherman had M1919 coax & commander's M2 BMG.

True.  I put in the Czech-type LMG because I was under the (not necessarily correct) impression that it was still more numerous......

I was wondering how it would be if we make everybody better off at the start by throwing in the Chi-Nu/Chi-To or even Chi-Ri for the Allied counter-offensive scenario...... (to somehwat level the playing field...... at least when compared to the most likely Sherman v.s. Shinhoto Chi-Ha matchup, which we know the Japanese struggled just to compete.)

(And Arc3371 came up with very much a Japanese counterpart to the King Tiger......    Well, quality might vary, but Japan did manage to produce an adequate turbojet from photographs of the BMW 003.....)