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« Reply #30 on: October 04, 2008, 06:38:45 PM »
Quote from: gunfighter on October 03, 2008, 09:44:54 PM
Do you think there could be any of these at topgunski? maybe ex-iraqi aircraft exchanged for mig-29s?

Alternatively, maybe a few from South Africa after the program to re-engine one with a RD-33.

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« Reply #31 on: October 04, 2008, 06:46:29 PM »
There was a program to fit the Mirage with an RD-33?  Interesting, might have to do a model of that...
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« Reply #32 on: October 05, 2008, 03:32:34 AM »
Not only a program, but they also built a flying prototype. Haven't read anything on the performance, though.
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« Reply #33 on: October 05, 2008, 03:44:32 AM »
Quote from: Sauragnmon on October 04, 2008, 06:46:29 PM
There was a program to fit the Mirage with an RD-33?  Interesting, might have to do a model of that...

Here you go - some pics:




See here for some more info on the Super Mirage F.1 program.

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« Reply #34 on: November 15, 2008, 05:41:58 AM »
How about a kit bash involving the old Fujimi 1/48th (actually 1/50th) scale Mirage IIIR and the Mirage F.1?  Cut the nose off the Fujimi kit and make it fit on the Mirage F.1 to create the rarely if ever seen Mirage F.1R :^)  I am certain it would fool a few folks if placed on the display table. 
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« Reply #35 on: December 13, 2008, 05:55:39 AM »
What about a STOL F.1 with lift jets behind the pilot to allow super short take-offs (though not VTOL):



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« Reply #36 on: December 13, 2008, 06:32:39 PM »
Based on the twin stick?

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« Reply #37 on: December 13, 2008, 06:40:28 PM »
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Based on the twin stick?

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Spot on!

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« Reply #38 on: December 13, 2008, 07:02:02 PM »
Quote from: GTX on December 13, 2008, 05:55:39 AM
What about a STOL F.1 with lift jets behind the pilot to allow super shot take-offs (though not VTOL):



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Turbomeca would provide the lift-jets (licence-built RB-189?) I like your concept!
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« Reply #39 on: December 15, 2008, 02:49:34 PM »
The Texas military had a similar idea to the South Africans...

Quote from: Bryan H. on June 27, 2008, 08:16:02 PM
The Texas Army Air Corps has been a long-term user of Dassault products and (as is it’s national defense policy) has built the Mirage F.1 under license.  In Texan service, the Mirage F.1, built by General Dynamics, (Texas designation F-9 Mirage 2) was used as a multi-role light fighter.  With its rough and primitive airfields capability, ease of maintenance, good performance (payload, speed, range, multi-role capability and diversity of missions); the Mirage F.1 had been found particularly useful in “colonial”  and other “primitive” settings.  In the early ‘90’s, the TX Dept of War had decided that the best replacement for an old Mirage F.1 was a new manufacture, updated Mirage F.1.  The latest incarnation of the Mirage F.1, the Texas Army Air Corps F/A-9E Mirage 2 Plus, incorporates a number of improvements.  The late production Mirages most notably have new high-performance PW1120 engines (13,550 lb st dry) vs. the old Atar 9K (11,023 lb st dry), a lightweight modified version of the APG-73 radar, a strike camera – giving (limited) photo-reconnaissance capability, improved ECM & IRCM, a FLIR/laser ranging turret, a wider range of armament options and a number of other improvements. 
   











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« Reply #40 on: December 15, 2008, 06:33:42 PM »
Damn, that is a sexy beast, Bryan.  Very cool.  Enhanced nose, new engine, looks very cool indeed.
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« Reply #41 on: December 16, 2008, 08:08:41 AM »
great, great, GREAT!!!!  Bow
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« Reply #42 on: December 19, 2008, 06:13:04 PM »
Given the Mirage F.1 was a direct competitor to the F-16, what if the Mirage F1M-53 (Mirage F.1 with SNECMA M-53 engine) had beat the F-16 in the "deal of the century” and been selected by Belgium, Denmark, the Netherlands, and Norway and then gone on to be selected by other F-16 users.  We could then see F.1s in the colours of:

  • Belgium,
  • Denmark,
  • The Netherlands,
  • Norway, and
  • Any other F-16 users

Also, I wonder if the F.1 would have continued to be developed further in lieu of the Mirage 2000?

BTW, this was the Mirage F1-53:



Will look to produce a line drawing shortly.

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« Reply #43 on: December 20, 2008, 12:34:24 PM »
Since we didn't have a credible fighter to sell at the time, the British response was to propose the Mirage F1M-53 for the fighter requirement, and the Jaguar for the strike requirement. That is to say, we were pushing a deal with less technical risk than the French one (because the Jag was already in sevice while the F1M-53 was developmental), with a better strike component, and one where the French got 75% of the work!

Needless to say (given M.Dassault's attitude to most things collaborative) the French rejected this and pushed for an all-F1 buy, which then failed........ Bang head

That could have seen Jags in those four nation's colours as well as the F.1s. You could also envisage Norway and Denmark going for the maritime strike Jag with Penguin and Harpoon/Sea Eagle respectively.....Wub
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