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September 10, 2005, 05:18:45 AM »
Jeff BlackOps [adding colours and “Reality” (J-18 topic) to a comparative sketch, port of one aircraft vs. starboard of another to compare] may have invented a whole class of asymmetric aircraft! Inside I am glad to focus on the twin-fuselage Zwilling part…
Below is a port Heinkel He 111Z/5m compared to a Sisko/Toff (Siskel) He 222Z/7m ; read as a whole, in the great BlackOps-way, this provide us with the weird asymmetric ToffOps He 333Z/6m…
If you ask why such asymmetry, there are answers, don't worry. For instance: all the engines were rotating in the same direction (from the begining or because one factory among two had burnt), so the torque was huge and asymmetry provided stability...
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September 10, 2005, 06:53:25 AM »
As well without twin-fuselages: the comparison between Go 244B & Go 444 could have created a Go 344B…
(I have already presented elsewhere the Go 243 between 242 and 244, not realising this is a whole generation process).
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September 10, 2005, 03:06:47 PM »
From the misread ‘view from above’ was born a ‘Real’ machine…
The He333Z code was replaced by He231, I don’t know why, the ground crew even telling puzzles like “He-132 code while going away, He-231 coming back, always!”. A local clown, walking on hands, denied: “No! 231 going away, 132 coming back!” with approval of an Arabic witness, standing there and hearing us. Mysteries…
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September 11, 2005, 06:35:40 AM »
While a double-plane usually requires double-power, it may have been different for a single-plane with additional-fuselage.
Above, project HB-29T-2 was a B-29 designed to transport/spray lethal bacteria/viruses: little load but needing to be separated from the crew and technical staff. Safe efficiency...
As the B-29 fuselage was available (with useless glazed nose) in the 1944 production line, it was selected as biological hold, but a single extra-engine was enough to carry all: thus such a 5-engined completely asymmetrical result.
The most funny is the way these micro-organisms would have been efficient: making the enemy crazy!… and as simply
drawing
it, 60 years later, without physical contact, seems already dangerous for sanity, what a thread!
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September 25, 2005, 06:01:32 AM »
In the first “Forked Ghosts” book, that I am currently translating in English, were presented with the highest number of engines (left below):
- the Percival P.36, 6-engined Burnelli-like, from a 4-engined design
- a Martin 4-engined cargo with low wing, from a 2-engined design
Now it is easy to:
- present versions with less engines (center below)
- imagine asymmetric 3-engined versions, for fun (right below)…
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October 17, 2005, 04:32:59 AM »
Another way towards asymmetric twin-boomers is twin-booming asymmetric aircraft, I did it with
airplanes
(Bv141, Ca.381) but this had yet to be done with
flying boats
... So here below, the
asymmetric
Blohm und Voss P.111 becomes the
asymmetric
twin-boom
P.111B ^_^
More solid, seriously...
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November 19, 2005, 06:41:27 PM »
Coming from a trip to Austria, in a Canadair Regional Jet, I wanted to draw such a T-tail jet, but with 2 tails and dated 1939-45, of course, so aboard I smiled and drew the asymmetric P-38TXF (T-tail + extra fin)…
On computer at home, to draw it more properly, this has become a mix of a P-38JR-3 (for starboard) and a P-38DF (for port)…
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May 30, 2006, 05:06:23 PM »
Mixing a half P-61 Black Widow with a half GP-61 Black Glider made the P-61S Black Single (or Light Widow):
(from
http://www.enter.net/~rocketeer/p61drwng.jpg
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No, seriously: a night fighter needed a free radar nose, all right, and maybe a rear post, so this required a pod for the crew, not the classical fuselage with nose engine/rear tail of a P-51/P-47, all right. And the twin-boom layout was solid, perfect for that, maybe better than the Bv 141 layout. But why 2 engines? No need!
[I consider seriously building this P-61S, in 2007 or 2008... I have a 1/72 Airfix kit available]
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June 02, 2006, 05:04:50 AM »
I think I should mention here that, up to now, I have posted 62 asymmetric drawings in the topic
http://www.whatifmodelers.com/forum//index...?showtopic=4626
and 27 in the topic
http://www.whatifmodelers.com/forum//index...?showtopic=5092
. With the 9 in this topic, that makes 98 new ones added to my Forked Ghosts collection, and I just have to add 2 to get 100, so here they are: Me 322Z as average 321Z + 323Z:
Edit Jun 23rd: I have posted 13 more asymmetric inventions at
http://www.whatifmodelers.com/forum//index...showtopic=10863
Edit July 22nd: and more modern: 10 asymmetric double-deltas at
http://www.whatifmodelers.com/forum//index...?showtopic=8523
Edit August 27th: and 6 asymmetric derivatives at
http://www.whatifmodelers.com/forum//index...showtopic=11771
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June 03, 2006, 07:02:08 AM »
All of you know pretty well the Martin B-26 Marauder, but the Martin B-33 Super-Marauder is far less known. I have asked Google and two discrepant pictures were got from the Wikipedia encyclopaedia: 2-engines (XB-33) or 4-engines (XB-33A). And the more surprising was the text saying “the XB-33 was a twin-tailed…”
Hey, what a mess!
- 2 OR 4 engines (1 OR 2 per wing)?
- Twin-tail OR twin-fin!?!
Relax: I have the solution, as the XB-33Z:
- 1 engine per wing AND 2 engines per wing
- Twin-tails AND twin-fins
The mystery is “solved”…
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June 04, 2006, 05:18:35 AM »
Let us discard seriousness: I am a what-ifer, yes or no?
So, what-if the XB-33 was turned into the glider GB-33, and the 4-engined XB-33A into the 6-engined XB-33B? From this came the weird B-33Z, immediately mass-produced 1944… But why so many engines as 2 were enough for the XB-33? That leaded to the 2-engined B-33Z-2, with asymmetry still as there was no fuel line for an engine in the short port wing…
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June 04, 2006, 05:43:37 AM »
As a further demonstration: look how sad would have looked the situation without asymmetry: GB-33Z(s) glider(s) tugged by a TB-33Z, just like a poor US copy of a He 111Z tugging Go 242s…
No, US engineers were able to do better, more inventing, more challenging, thus the asymmetric way explained above…
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June 04, 2006, 07:32:43 AM »
As well, comparing side by side a C-47 Dakota and a CG-17 glider-derivative is more funny if you imagine this is an asymmetric twin-plane (C-47CG-17). A twin C-47Z and a twin CG-17 are fun too, but without asymmetry, this is rather sad…
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June 04, 2006, 07:53:47 AM »
Of course, in the sad funless Reality, the basic C-47CG-17 would have been simplified: no need of so many tailplanes and landing gears...
even if this C-47G may have been kept asymmetric...
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June 04, 2006, 02:19:26 PM »
Quote
Me 322Z as average 321Z + 323Z:
- Hey you stupid what-ifer, the Me 321Z and 323Z have never existed, how to join them?!
- Uh... we could join a Me 321 and a Me 323...:
- That cannot work either!
- So the Nazi would loose war
- Well, yes. You stupid but not a bad guy.
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